Posted by Johan on 6/11/2011, 18:18:42, in reply to "Re: equal treatment"
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I think your fear is unfounded. Most European nations are seeing the roles of men and women less preset by gender and more fluid. Men who raise their children while the mother is the main breadwinner are still a minority, but they are growing in numbers. Many women are now earn as much as their husband and with more girls graduating from higher education than boys that trend will continue.
The male consorts of the 20th century had the thoughest time. They had to find a way to maintain their masculinity without overpowering their reigning spouse. These days roles are different.
As for France i think they would be seriously considering to accept gender neutral succession if they had not introduced it allready if the monarchy had still existed.
In Germany that would certainly have been the case.
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: If France had returned to a monarchy in 1873
: it might well have had another revolution in
: 1905. But if it had survived, I rather doubt
: there would be a change. French law on names
: is still very strict.
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: The great difficulty in the role of Queen's
: regnant in the future is their choice of
: husband. The role of the wives of the heirs
: to Norway, the UK, Netherlands, and Belgium
: is so much easier than that of the husband
: of the Crown princess of Sweden.
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: We may consider that we have progressed, but
: a man is still expected to work and have
: some kind of career. For the duke of
: Edinburgh as a naval officer it was a very
: clear role and it becamse easy for him to
: take up various public positions and star
: his own charities.
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: But the Swedish public has already shown a
: certain intolerance towards the activities
: of the husband of the crown princess -
: running a gym is not really the job one
: would expect the husband of the head of
: state to do. if the husband of a future
: Queen is a lawyer, banker or runs any kind
: of business it would be only too easy for
: him to find that he is getting work because
: of who he is rather than his skills and then
: be accused of taking advantage of his
: position. This was the accusation thrown at
: the late Sir Angus Ogilvy, husband of
: Princess Alexandra (of the UK); The Princess
: Royal's husband is a senior naval officer
: but if he had a career in business he and
: his company would be constantly scrutinised.
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: It is useless to compare the positions of
: past or present sovereigns without noting
: the enormous difficulties faced by the
: husbands of the present and late Queens of
: the Netherlands - Prince Bernhard involved
: in a sordid business scandal and the late
: husband of Queen Beatrix suffering terribly
: from the difficulties of his position.
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: The Prince Consort of Denmark has had to be
: "protected" several times and I
: doubt very much that a future prince consort
: of any European monarchy would manage to
: escape such scrutiny.
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: I see the role of the husband of the
: sovereign as by far the greatest challenge
: and potentially de-stabilising factor for
: the European monarchies of the future.
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: --Previous Message--
: I do agree that if there ever was a
: restoration in France and Germany there
: probably would be equal succession but I do
: have to wonder if France had remained a
: monarchy all this time if they would be too
: resistant?
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: --Previous Message--
: If the monarchy were ever returned in France
: and Germany, I beleive they would do it on
: the concept of equal treatment of males and
: females.
: Step by step all monarchies change to this
: concept.
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: --Previous Message--
: That is what I was thinking. France was
: involved in a huge war in order to prevent
: passage through the female line I have a
: hard time thinking they would embrace equal
: succession.
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: I tend to agree. The French monarchy seem to
: have had the strongest adherence to the
: Salic tradition.
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: Well, they once fought a hundred years war
: with the English in order to defend it. If a
: modern French monarchy were to abolish it, I
: suspect the ghosts of Edward III and Henry V
: would appreciate the irony!
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