Posted by William F on 28/3/2011, 18:06:29, in reply to "Re: Plenty of political entities don't exist and titles are not changed"
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Interesting. How would he got about getting his official title changed?
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: The fact that he is referred to as Serbian
: Crown Prince, Head of the Serbian Royal
: Family, etc, does not, however, seemed to
: have affected his full official title -
: which, when writing a letter, appears to be
: (since this is how the full name is given
: below his signature) Alexander, crown prince
: of Yugoslavia. Also, the other members of
: the royal family remain princes or
: princesses of Yugoslavia likewise.
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: I never denied that he was crown prince
: under
: the Yugoslav constitution.
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: The question is whether or not he has the
: right to drop the "of Yugoslavia"
: designation.
:
: I say it is a moot point because he has done
: it and there is no governing body or law in
: Serbia preventing him from doing that.
:
: You disagree with his decision to do that. I
: agree with his decision given his current
: position in Serbia.
:
: We can agree to disagree and leave it at
: that.
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: Let's remember cases like Michael of Romania
: where he was adamant that one could not
: alter the succession laws and then he
: "did" (although he really did not
: since he does not have the power to displace
: heirs under the old constitution). The same
: goes for the Margrave of Meissen who has
: tried to insert a cognatic relative of very
: dubious paternal royal lineage to the
: detriment of existing agnates of the entire
: Saxon princely house.
:
: He was crown prince under a Yugoslav
: constitution and laws, not a Serbian one.
: End of that discussion because that is my
: point.
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: Then Alexander is in the same boat as many
: other pretenders or heads of families where
: the constitution under the monarchies cannot
: be changed.
:
: Those constitutions are frozen in time and
: cannot be amended but time itself doesn't
: stand still and many of these heads of
: families do change their house laws all the
: time and many of these hose laws were
: written into their constitutions.
:
: Do you begrudge heads of other families
: changing house laws in regards to equality
: of marriages and the regulation of titles.
:
: Also, there is no law that has legal binding
: that says he cannot change the place
: designation he states he is from.
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: It's a title he never had. He doesn't have
: to
: use a territorial designation in Serbia
: anyway. The Serbian people are also well
: aware than until very, very recently they
: were not an independent nation and that
: their royalty had been removed long before.
:
: Since there is no monarchy the last
: monarchical constitution is always the force
: of royal law. There is no fine line with
: picking and choosing.
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: Since there is no monarchy to regulate
: titles
: and Yugoslavia no longer exists and his best
: chance of a restoration is in Serbia where
: he has some standing there why begrudge him
: reverting to an older title if it may
: increase his chances of a restoration?
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: Yes. He is not a reigning monarch and he is
: not the son of a King of Serbia. He is the
: son of a king of Yugoslavia.
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: --Previous Message--
: So are you saying he doesn't have the power
: or
: authority to change his title?
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: Well, his father was never King of Serbia.
: He
: can pretend to be its crown prince if he
: wants but that's not his real title.
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: Yes, but the royal family of Yugoslavia was
: originally Serbian so with that state
: defunct it makes more sense for him to align
: himself with his Serbian roots.
:
: As Gary said, Alexander has a semi-official
: status in Serbia and it just would not serve
: his purpose as a representative of the
: Serbian people and monarchy if he was still
: hanging on to the "of Yugoslavia"
: designation.
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: --Previous Message--
: Serbia was merged into Yugoslavia during the
: time of monarchy.
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: --Previous Message--
: True. But I don't blame Alexander for going
: back to his Serbian roots because he does
: have a better chance for a restoration by
: aligning himself that way.
:
: Yes. He is not only heir to the kings of
: Yugoslavia, but also to the Karadjordjovic
: kings of Serbia. Since both thrones are
: equally extinct, I hardly see what
: difference it makes to which he pretends.
:
: On the other hand, there is a Republic of
: Serbia and it does accord the Crown Prince a
: sort of semi-official status. In this sense
: he is more "of Serbia" than he is
: of the defunct Yugoslavia.
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