Posted by Guy Stair Sainty
on 26/10/2009, 21:35:16, in reply to "Re: Papal Princes"
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What I meant was the hereditary titles could only pass by successin through Catholkci marriage; life titles could not pass.
Many papal titles were given to converts, including quite a number to converted Jews - it was the succession thereafter that required legitimate Cathlic marriage.
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: This is wrng in so many ways that there is
: not
: enough space to correct it. However, there
: are several points that should be made.
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: First regarding Papal titles - before 1870
: Papal titles were all
: "territorial", with the exception
: of the rather strange Papal title of Conte
: Palatino (which gave the holder the title of
: Count followed by his family name). The
: Pope's did not before 1870 grant Princely
: titles on the name - so all those families
: listed here who had Princely titles were
: Princes of somewhere.
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: After 1870 there were grants of titles of
: Prince, duke, (a few Marquesses) and Count,
: but these were on the name "Duke
: Stacpoole, "Countess Kennedy";
: etc, most were hereditary, a few not; all
: however could only pass to the issue born of
: legitimate, Catholic marriages.
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: Hmm? You mean, of the titles that were
: hereditary "all however could only pass
: to the issue born of legitimate, Catholic
: marriages"? Or do you man that titles
: that were given ad personam, such as the one
: to Rose Kennedy, could only be given if the
: person in question was born into a Catholic
: marriage (in other words, a convert could
: never become a papal count)?
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: DTH
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