Posted by Charles on 26/10/2009, 20:40:19, in reply to "Re: Sovereign Branches of the House of Austria"
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: Article 22 of the Imperial House Laws of 1839
: (not amended in the changes of 1900) states:
:
: “In those branches of the “Erzhaus” [House
: of Habsburg] with their own Sovereignty, the
: heads of these branches will exercise the
: law of the head of the combined house in
: respect of marriages of members of their
: branch. It is expected with confidence in
: this respect that the principles of the
: combined house and the equal rights of all
: members of the house shall remain the same
: as they have always existed in the “Erzhaus”
: [House of Habsburg].”
:
: These two sovereign branches were the Grand
: Ducal line of Tuscany and the Ducal line of
: Modena.
:
: Under these laws Grand Duke Joseph Ferdinand
: (who remained grand duke until his death,
: despite what is stated in some genealogical
: sources but resigned the administration of
: the headship of his House to his brother
: Peter Ferdinand) did not recgnise his own
: marriage as equal, but instead conferred the
: titles of Prince and Princess of Florennce
: on his children. The present Grand Duke,
: Archduke Sigismund, has recognised this
: title for the children of the former.
Article 22 is very interesting. I suppose it is only enforceable in that the head of the entire Archhouse can remove the "higher" imperial and royal status of the Austrian, Hungarian and Bohemian royal titles for any member of the sovereign junior lines if they do not exercise the law as he personally sees fit.
Were these laws totally bilateral (not the right word probably as these are issues of house law) and do they show up in Modenese or Tuscan house laws (if any)? If this is not the case, the Grand Duke Joseph Ferdinand could have very well recognized his marriage as equal with his children being titled Prince and Princess of Tuscany with the style of Grand Ducal Highness. He could have even kept a Tuscan style of Imperial and Royal Highness and the other titles. Many other houses have done this.
Do you know what style the titles Prince and Princess of Florence carry?
Charles
: The Archduke Otto cvonsistently recognised
: the rights of the heads of the sovereign
: lines, but his son Karl has declared that he
: alone exercises such rights and that the
: Grand Duke of Tuscany and de jure Duke of
: Modena are merely Archdukes. Nonetheless,
: most of the other Archdukes do not accept
: this arrogant assumption and in fact
: Archduke Sigismund is a member of the five
: man family council.
:
: Mr Sjostrom's seeming dismissal of the claim
: of the Archduke Lorenz to the headship of
: the Modena line is odd; the Archduke's
: succession follows precisely the
: Seondogeniture that was established in the
: Imperial investiture and confirmed by the
: Treaty of Vienna of 1815. The late Archduke
: Robert requested in his Testament that his
: successors as head of this line use the
: title of Duke of Este. Archduke Lorenz has
: not assumed this title because the titles he
: uses are subject to Belgian law, but he does
: consider himself the heir to this title
: which is, in effect, the title of pretension
: of the Modena claim.
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