Posted by Guy Stair Sainty on 26/10/2009, 19:24:37, in reply to "Re: Parma - 'Angelic' Const. Order of St.George - in addition to other little-justified claims"
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What a stupid comment. The transmission of the grand magistery from the last of the Angeli grand masters to the Farneseg , was invested an ecclesiastical office in the Farnese by the Pope as a subject of canon law. The Order is a Religious Military Order,defined in 1718 as a Religion, and therefoire subject to the jurisdiction of the Holy See which "recognised and confirmed" the grand magistery in the Bourbons. Of course, therefore, the Pope could authorise the diversion of the succession in 1759, as he did in a Brief of 1763 and in numerous subsequent acts concerning the Order and its grand magistery. in which the male prinmogeniture successors of Ferdinand IV were repeatedly recognised as Grand Masters.
This is no different than the Pope concerning himself with the affairs of other religious Orders, all of which are subjects of canon law.
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: so, according to Guy,
: it was a blatantly non-legitimist act of
: some conferral in 1759 made by an one-time
: holder of primogeniture in favor of a
: clearly younger son,
: and an equally non-legitimist confirmation
: from some one-time pope in 1763,
: which diverted the Constantinian Order from
: its legitimist succession which passes down
: to Louis Alphonse....
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: The Constantinian Order is a subject of
: canon
: law, which regulated its statutes and the
: grand magistery is defined in the Brief
: Sincerae Fidei of 1699 and the Bull
: Militantis Ecclesiae of 1718 as an
: "ecclesiastical office" that
: passes by male primogeniture.
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: When Carlos VII became Carlos III of Spain
: he ceded the Two Sicilies to his 3rd (2nd
: surviving sn) Ferdinand on 6 October 1759
: and on 16 October 1759 Ferdinand was
: declared "primogenit leggitimo
: farnesiano" and as such heir t the
: Grand Magistery. This successin was
: confirmed by the Pope in 1763.
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: By the way, and against long narratives of
: apologists,
: the primogeniture succession to the headship
: after the said Charles, should not be in any
: way dependent on any diverting designation
: by Charles himself or any other holder or
: heir of it.
: Which means that Ferdinand IV of Sicilies
: did not succeed to it lawfully, instead the
: rights -in legitimacy- passed to his elder
: brother king Charles IV of Spain. and should
: since 1830s pass along the -surprise-
: carlist line, whose heir in 1930s was
: Alfonso XIII. So, today it should be Louis
: Alphonse..... and none of these Charleses
: who all claim it....
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