Posted by M.Sjostrom on 26/10/2009, 10:11:12, in reply to "Re: Sovereign Branches of the House of Austria"
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: Mr Sjostrom's seeming dismissal of the claim
: of the Archduke Lorenz to the headship of
: the Modena line is odd; the Archduke's
: succession follows precisely the
: Seondogeniture that was established in the
: Imperial investiture and confirmed by the
: Treaty of Vienna of 1815. The late Archduke
: Robert requested in his Testament that his
: successors as head of this line use the
: title of Duke of Este. Archduke Lorenz has
: not assumed this title because the titles he
: uses are subject to Belgian law, but he does
: consider himself the heir to this title
: which is, in effect, the title of pretension
: of the Modena claim.
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It is 'purported' new house of Modena in the sense that this new house has actually never held the real rule of Modena.
In my view, there is no worth in trying to mask them as directly members of the older line of the Dukes of Modena from the austrian archhouse. These newer ones are a different 'house' for Modena.
I do not dismiss that claim: in my view it is very nice that cognatic descendants of the old Este, having an imperial secundogeniture sanction for its succession, are using the names of the Este and even nominally their holdings;
but the rulership of Modena (rule, as opposed to use of names) becomes real and not purported, only if they really get to reign over Modena.
Archduke Lorenz certainly is the current head of the line of Austria-Este, and I am not dismissing that. And would they ever use the nominal title of 'Duke of Modena' (which they are seemingly not doing curently), I'd have nothing against that.
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