Posted by Guy Stair Sainty
on 26/10/2009, 9:13:23, in reply to "Parma - 'Angelic' Const. Order of St.George - in addition to other little-justified claims"
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The Constantinian Order is a subject of canon law, which regulated its statutes and the grand magistery is defined in the Brief Sincerae Fidei of 1699 and the Bull Militantis Ecclesiae of 1718 as an "ecclesiastical office" that passes by male primogeniture.
The succession of Infante don Carlos de Borbon y Farnese was confirmed by the Holy See and recognised by Austria which took possession of Parma from 1735-1747. Carlos, as Carlo VII King of Naples and Sicily cntinued to govern the Order which was still based in Parma until 1759.
When Carlos VII became Carlos III of Spain he ceded the Two Sicilies to his 3rd (2nd surviving sn) Ferdinand on 6 October 1759 and on 16 October 1759 Ferdinand was declared "primogenit leggitimo farnesiano" and as such heir t the Grand Magistery. This successin was confirmed by the Pope in 1763. At no time did Philip, Duke of Parma, try to claim the grand magistery (as is falsely stated in the Parma web site); on the contrary he confirmed his brother and nephew's rule of the Order on several occasions. Philip's son Ferdinand did try and persuade Carlos III to make his son ceded the grand magistery on two occasions, but these did not succeed and the Neapolitan King continued to govern the Order - although he transferred the actual grand priory and administration to Naples in 1768. The Ordwer continued to control its Parmesan and Piacenzan possessions until they were confiscated by the French in 1797.
On 8 March 1796 Ferdinand of Naples issued a formal statement to the effect that "in his royal person there are two distinct dignities... the one of the Crown of the Two Sicilies the other of the grand magistery of the Constantinianb Order, governed by its own statutes." In 1816-17 former Empress Maria Luigia, duchess of Parma, founded what is today the Parma Constantinian but this was a new Order, imitating the one in Naples, and the Pope's consistently refused to recognise it as a religious Order.
In 1860 there were discussions about issuing a new Papal Bull to regulate the Order, still ongoign when they were abruptly halted by the King's departure frm Naples at the end of August 1860. In 1910 Pope Pius X appointed a Cardinal Protector to the Order and granted it a new Church; in 1913 he appointed another Cardinal Protector and in 1916 restored the Grand Prioral Church of the Order to the Grand Prior. In 1915 Benedict XV dedicated the new Capitular seat of the Order in Rome (which remains is seat in Rome today) and in 1919 he appointed another Cardinal Protector in succession to the previous one, who ha died. The post of Cardinal Protector was "temporarily suspended" in 1924, because having the grand master of the Order als as claimant to part of Italy was affecting Italian-Vatican relations and Pius XI wanted a solution to the Roman question.
In 1913, with the Order headed by the Count of Caserta playing a significant role in the commemorations of the 1600th anniversary of the Edict of Milan, Prince Elias of Parma and his step-mother wrote together to the Pope a long letter asking him to giver similar recognition to their Order. This letter, however, was ignored.
Prince Elias, later Duke of Parma, is the grandfather of Infante don Carlos de Borbon y Borbon, present grand master of the Constantinian Order. In 1960 Duke Roberto II accepted the cllar of the Constantinian Order from his brother-in-law, Don Alfonso. The Parma Order was not awarded between 1907 and the 1990s when Carlos Ugo decided Carlism was going nowhere and that he could instead gain some currency by reviving the Parma Orders. Some distinguished Parmesan nobles were happy to help.
The historical recitation on the web site has several completely false statements, however; these claims are without merit which is why the Holy See has consistently ignored the Parma Order.
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: actually, what's it which makes this
: particular branch to do these sorts of
: pretty useless things?
: Because, it's precisely him and his late
: father who make also that quite unjustified
: carlist claim.
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: As I gather, the Constantinian Order of
: St.George was not tied to the duchy of
: Parma,
: instead it was defined as male-line
: primogeniture of Charles, son of the Farnese
: heiress and thus the semi-salic heir to the
: original grantee.
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: It is quite certain that there are around
: several branches who descend in male line
: from the said Charles, so his younger
: brother Duke Philip of Parma with HIS heirs
: is not needed at all yet...
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: By the way, and against long narratives of
: apologists,
: the primogeniture succession to the headship
: after the said Charles, should not be in any
: way dependent on any diverting designation
: by Charles himself or any other holder or
: heir of it.
: Which means that Ferdinand IV of Sicilies
: did not succeed to it lawfully, instead the
: rights -in legitimacy- passed to his elder
: brother king Charles IV of Spain. and should
: since 1830s pass along the -surprise-
: carlist line, whose heir in 1930s was
: Alfonso XIII. So, today it should be Louis
: Alphonse..... and none of these Charleses
: who all claim it....
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: and Charles-Hugues' biography in his House
: website makes the same claim
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: http://www.borboneparma.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=62
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: it looks like the Duke of Parma (Charles
: Hugues) also claims to be the sovereign and
: the Grand Master of the St.George of Farnese
: dynasty
: - in addition to his cousins Charles duke of
: Calabria and Charles the so-called duke of
: Castro.
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: This excellent House's pages pose this very
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: http://www.borboneparma.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=52
: apparently written by Charles Hugues' some
: advisor(s).
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