Posted by Robert
on 16/8/2009, 23:19:30, in reply to "Re: descendants of Folkunge dynasty - when a claim is false"
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: the article 'reports' a claim to the throne:
: that Daniel Westling would have better claim
: to the throne than the Bernadottes.....
: * this would presumably been a joke; however
: if it were not a joke:
: then, let's look at its basis: a Dna test,
: showing the Daniel Westling has similar Dna
: as Birger jarl.
: it should be clear to everybody that even a
: direct descent from Birger jarl does not
: mean any rughtful claim to the throne of
: Sweden, nor any rightful claim even to a
: royal heritage.
: Namely, it was Birger jarl's wife who was
: the royal daughter, sister of the childless
: king Eric XI - and whose son (and later
: another son) were installed on their
: MATERNAL uncle's throne because of that
: dynastical heriitage - Birger jarl himself,
: though alive yet a long time, was NOT made
: king, because he himself was not royal in
: their view, he was spouse of a royal.
: Now, history knows well that in addition to
: his royal wife, Birger jarl also married
: later another woman. And that Birger jarl
: had son with yet some mistress (who was not
: royal...), that son progeniting a lot of
: descendants in Sweden.
:
: So, any proven descent from Birger jarl does
: not yet mean that a person has even a drop
: of royal heritage... let alone any right of
: claim to royal throne. The matter woould be
: different, were it proven that the descent
: would be from Birger jarl's that royal
: wife...
:
: these are known male-line male descendants
: of Birger jarl's royal WIFE:
:
: http://genealogics.org/descend.php?personID=I00027038&tree=LEO&displayoption=male&generations=6
: * by the way, it is proven in each
: generation by contemporary documentation
: that Crown Princess Victoria descends
: directly, via some females, from at least
: two of these, namely at least from a
: daughter of 2 Valdemar Birgersson, King of
: Sweden 1250-1275 b. 1237 d. 26 Dec 1302
: and at least from a daughter of 3 Erik
: Magnusson, Duke of Södermanland b. Abt 1282
: d. 1318
:
: and, here's similarly descendants of Birger
: jarl himself, there being others who
: descendd from him but not from his mentioned
: wife:
:
: http://genealogics.org/descend.php?personID=I00027037&tree=LEO&displayoption=male&generations=6
: * History can pretty well attest that the
: *male* line from Birger jarl's wife cannot
: continue in male line - beyond the year
: 1387.
: Whereas, male-line descendants from Birger
: jarl's illegitimate son Gregers, are not so
: easily exhaustively mapped.
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: http://theroyaltwist.com/royally-fooled/
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: On the other hand, since the 1200s monarchs
: of the dynasty pof Folkunge DO have
: descendants today, it is inevitable that
: most -if not all- of Swedish population
: (including Daniel Westling) is their
: descendants - most however cannot prove
: their precise lineage from the Folkunge but
: that does not mean such would not exist.
:
: So, the joke was actually not even a lie....
:
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As you probably know, Birger Jarl was not really a Folkunge. They were his enemy. He was a Bjälbo. But for some mysterious reason, Birger Jarls descendants became known as Folkungar.
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