Posted by Johan on 11/6/2009, 9:07:49, in reply to "Re: weddings of Albert's sons"
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You again refer to feudal practice. The Belgian monarchy isn't feudal. They don't have practices that are normal to other monarchies.
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: The Belgian monarchy has it's own rules. The
: title prince of Liege was given to Albert as
: a personal title and he still holds it.
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: you claim that Albert still holds the title
: 'prince of Liege'. How do you then explain
: that the Liege title is absent from this
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: http://members3.boardhost.com/EuropeanRoyals/msg/1244637511.html
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: I think your thought of 'personal title'
: does not warrant the continued existence of
: said title after Albert became king.
: Personal titles (which are no different than
: other titles held from the crown) merge to
: the crown if the holder ascends that very
: throne - according to feudal law
: conventions.
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: All in all, the codeword 'Belgian monarchy
: has its own rules' might well be true,
: seeing how their usage occasionally is
: redundant, pompous, against usual
: protocol....
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: Perhaps this 'own rules' is something which
: is usual for 'people's monarchies', results
: of 1800s nationalism or such.
: After all, I think generally the 'people's
: democracies' had their own peculiar
: perception what democracy is, contrary to
: democracies which are not driven by real
: socialism.
: A people's monarchy does obviously not need
: to follow the conventions of feudal law, it
: only has taken in resembling feudal-like
: titularies...
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: In Dutch marriage ceremonies parents are
: mentioned as well. I've so far never been at
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: This is really curious.
: So, Belgium and Holland -for some reason-
: give an 'official' role in marriages to
: parents of the couple to be married.
: It's somewhat mind-boggling, seeing that
: it's the couple who get married with each
: other, not their parents.
: Is this possibly from these countries' law?
: something like, parental consent needed for
: marriages of adult children.... or a vestige
: of such?
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: There were countries where arranged marriage
: has been the legal institution. Parents
: marry off their children.
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: Another disturbing point: the title 'prince
: of Liege' is a title held 'from' the king of
: Belgium, and in the normal protocol, would
: have vanished (= merged to the crown) at the
: accession of Albert to the kingship, because
: the king doctrinarily cannot hold a title
: from himself.
: So, either the Belgian monarchy does not
: observe these subtleties of feudal law and
: usual european royal protocol; or the
: drafter of the things uttered in these
: ceremonies is a pompous person adding titles
: which are unsound, or redundant, or already
: merged.
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