Posted by M.Sjostrom on 11/6/2009, 5:58:23, in reply to "Re: weddings of Albert's sons"
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: The Belgian monarchy has it's own rules. The
: title prince of Liege was given to Albert as
: a personal title and he still holds it.
you claim that Albert still holds the title 'prince of Liege'. How do you then explain that the Liege title is absent from this government text?
http://members3.boardhost.com/EuropeanRoyals/msg/1244637511.html
I think your thought of 'personal title' does not warrant the continued existence of said title after Albert became king. Personal titles (which are no different than other titles held from the crown) merge to the crown if the holder ascends that very throne - according to feudal law conventions.
All in all, the codeword 'Belgian monarchy has its own rules' might well be true, seeing how their usage occasionally is redundant, pompous, against usual protocol....
Perhaps this 'own rules' is something which is usual for 'people's monarchies', results of 1800s nationalism or such.
After all, I think generally the 'people's democracies' had their own peculiar perception what democracy is, contrary to democracies which are not driven by real socialism.
A people's monarchy does obviously not need to follow the conventions of feudal law, it only has taken in resembling feudal-like titularies...
: In Dutch marriage ceremonies parents are
: mentioned as well. I've so far never been at
This is really curious.
So, Belgium and Holland -for some reason- give an 'official' role in marriages to parents of the couple to be married.
It's somewhat mind-boggling, seeing that it's the couple who get married with each other, not their parents.
Is this possibly from these countries' law? something like, parental consent needed for marriages of adult children.... or a vestige of such?
There were countries where arranged marriage has been the legal institution. Parents marry off their children.
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: Another disturbing point: the title 'prince
: of Liege' is a title held 'from' the king of
: Belgium, and in the normal protocol, would
: have vanished (= merged to the crown) at the
: accession of Albert to the kingship, because
: the king doctrinarily cannot hold a title
: from himself.
: So, either the Belgian monarchy does not
: observe these subtleties of feudal law and
: usual european royal protocol; or the
: drafter of the things uttered in these
: ceremonies is a pompous person adding titles
: which are unsound, or redundant, or already
: merged.
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