Posted by M.Sjostrom (Sjostrom) on 12/5/2008, 10:38:17, in reply to "Re: who are noble -strictly speaking- and issues so forth"
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I see that the terms 'commoner' and 'peerage' are used in those texts.
This does not say anything upon a legal definition of a there-non-present term, 'noble', if one does not make an equation 'peer' = 'noble'.
So, no law in Britain explicitly defines the coverage of the terms 'nobility' or 'noble', right?
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: Afaik, no actual law in Britain explicitly
: defines the coverage of the term 'nobility'
: or 'noble'.
:
: Two examples will illustrate the law:
:
: In 1834 the Whig government collapsed. The
: reason for this was simple. Its chief
: spokesman was in the House of Commons was
: the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Viscount
: Althorp, eldest son of Earl Spencer. On 10
: November 1834, Earl Spencer died and
: Viscount Althorp succeeded to his father’s
: peerage. He was no longer a commoner. He
: could not sit in the House of Commons, and
: he could no longer hold the office of
: Chancellor of the Exchequer.
:
: The Prime Minister, Viscount Melbourne, rode
: south to see King William IV at the Royal
: Pavilion, Brighton. After dinner the King
: remarked: “By the way, Lord Spencer is dead
: I hear. So is the Government, of course:
: where the head is dead the body cannot go on
: at all. Therefore there is no help for it,
: you must all resign. Here, my Lord, is a
: letter I have written to the Duke of
: Wellington, directing him to form a
: Government. Be sure you give it to him
: directly you arrive in town.” (This version
: of events comes from “Lord M”, by Lord David
: Cecil.)
:
: Nancy Witcher was born in Virginia, and
: married and divorced Robert Gould Shaw and
: then married secondly Waldorf Astor. His
: father, William Astor, was an American
: millionaire who had became naturalized in
: Britain. In 1916 William Astor was created
: Baron Astor and the following year he was
: promoted to Viscount Astor. Meanwhile, his
: eldest son Waldorf Astor was elected Member
: of Parliament for Plymouth in 1910, but lost
: his seat in the House of Commons when his
: father died and he succeeded to the peerage.
: His wife, now Viscountess Astor, was then
: elected for the vacant seat, and became the
: first women ever to sit in the House of
: Commons.
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