Posted by Irn12 on 10/5/2005, 9:08 pm, in reply to "Ahhh, but I never, ONCE said they couldn't protest..." This whole conversation is abour your beliefs against someone elses beliefs. Again, your personal beliefs don't tell the whole story. It is your side of things. So, no, I don't think you can speak for the other side, because of your brief experiences. First, there is no such comment of separation of church and state in the constitution. It was first coined when Jefferson wrote to a Baptist church a letter that said there is a wall of separation in which the government couldn't involve itself in the affairs of the church. In point of historical fact, read any of our founding fathers' papers, even our first President's idea that we couldn't have a free country unless we had our own religious and moral view represented in government. You want separation from church, but you want church to pay taxes so the government has a financial say in them. That's hypocritical. As for women having the right over their own bodies, that's funny as they want control over their babies to end their lives. Yeah that's hypocritical to want to save a baby's life. As for gay rights, they are protected under the constitution as citizens, what they want that the right seems to disagree with is their behavioral choices forced on others to accept their lifestyle even though some think it is wrong. And this isn't a christian arguement, it is a biblical argument. So, blame the Bible for it's statements against this behavior. As for segregation, you have the Repubican President freeing slaves. You have no movement in Civil right until Martin King, Jr's church makes it a christian movement. Have you read "A Letter from a Birmingham Jail?" The relious in this country, started this country, founded the school systems, created hospitals, ensured freedom of religion for you and me, even if we don't agree. Your beliefs don't make it fact. Plus, where does christendom say Disney is evil. You keep making statements that just are not true. They seem to be saying that they don't agree with a product, which they have a right to do. You've even acknowledged that. You don't like the religious right. I get that, why can't you just say that. Why do you have to polorize people with the references to names, that is really inappropriate. We just disagree on this, but I can see it is very personal for you. But can't you at least agree to disagree without further insults or ridiculing terms like saint and holy in a sarcastic way because you can't get into someone else's head and say they think this or that. You'd be apalled if someone did that to you, why do you have to do it to others. Again, we just disagree. It is ok to disagree. --Previous Message--
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meaning they had no say to your wishes.
: Never said it was against my beliefs... :-) I
: maintain that I find their protestations
: laughable and I see CLEARLY the agenda... I
: am no fool :-) I spendt WAY too much of my
: early "born-again" time in that
: arena... I know of what I speak, I know
: there is NO seperation of Church and State
: in THOSE churches... I know factually of
: pamphleting and endoctrination of political
: points of view that permeate the Religious
: Right... I am strongly leaning to the belief
: that if they want to cross that line, they
: should be TAXED as well. :-) But no.....
: The RR are a "Religious" people
: and their churches should remain tax free...
: HYPOCRITS!
:
: We must have only HOLY cartoon images
: portrayed! Only HOLY merchandise sold.
: Only HOLY clothing worn. Etc. Oh, and least
: I forget... we must RID the land of any
: other religion! THEY ARE ALL EVIL... even
: the ones calling themselves
: "Christian" but do NOT adhere to
: our standards of Dogma!
:
: And we must force our beliefs upon people
: who have no desire to embrace them (i.e.,
: Gay people MUST remain in-equal in the
: American society (and abroad)! Women should
: NOT have the right to control their own
: bodies, especially if they become
: pregnant... no MATTER how it happened or any
: other extenuating circumstance... People
: dying of incurable diseases or suffering
: from ailments related to their conditions
: should NOT be allowed ANY forms of relief!
:
: Given enough time it'll be the HOLY
: RELIGIOUS RIGHT that gets to dictate the
: rules! Then the world will be perfect, just
: like the RR intend it to be. :-) Everyone
: will hold to the same system or suffer the
: consequences!
:
: Hmmmmm. Infact, while we're at it, we should
: probably look into our current legal system
: and see how many MORE laws we can roll
: back... Those good old days when people were
: segregated and institutionalized and shock
: therapy cured a multitude of ills... Science
: is evil, medicine is evil, freedom of
: thought is the worst evil... LOL!
:
: If we vote another person freely controlled
: by the Religious Right into the White House,
: then I guess this country deserves
: EVERYTHING it gets!
: Sadly Disney, and anyone else whom the RR
: deems evil, will be crippled in the
: process... LOL!
:
: I'd rather live in a society that allows
: gays to "legally unite", Disney to
: produce a cartoon called
: "W.I.T.C.H." and the ill to be
: allowed to "smoke a reefer", than
: embrace a so-called MORAL system that would
: dictate everything about my life right down
: to what I can wear, watch or buy!
:
: -The Goof!
:
: --Previous Message--
: I've never said that and I doubt you could
: really find and group that said that they
: are the only right ones and have that
: accepted as respresentative of christendom.
:
: You may feel that way, but it doesn't make
: it true.
:
: And Disney's evilness wasn't the question,
: except what you are saying about other
: people's thoughts and intents. The
: "right" that you are talking about
: are protesting decisions and product that
: involve the occult that are coming from
: Disney. You say they shouldn't do it
: because you think they are wrong. I'm
: saying they have every right to do it and
: should do it if they think Disney is wrong.
:
: We disagree. Maybe we can agree to
: disagree.
:
:
: And my point, since the beginning of this
: discussion, is that they (the Religious
: Right) make me laugh because they are
: hypocrits! Their agenda is that THEY are
: the only ones who are RIGHT and THEY must
: convert or FORCE everyone to walk in
: lock-step with THEIR beliefs.
:
: I suppose we should forget that this is
: SUPPOSE to be a country that was founded as
: an ESCAPE from a FORCED NATIONAL puritanical
: religious system...
:
: Wasn't it the ironic credo of Jonestown,
: Africa, "Those who do not remember the
: past are doomed to repeat it"? I guess
: the Religious Right want their brand of
: Religion to make all the rules and no one
: else should be allowed to exist....
: ESPECIALLY DISNEY.... They're just plain
: EVIL.... Right??? LOL!!!!
:
: -theGoof!
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