Posted by Jay
on 22/10/2009, 2:40:53, in reply to "Re: Princess Máxima"
24.147.92.103
Bon Voyage, Eleonore!! Have a great trip and rest!
--Previous Message--
: Henri, several observations:
:
: 1. First of all, you completely ignore the
: fact that the royals indeed GET social
: security, something you ignored in your
: previous post.
:
: 2. Second, I know you graduated from
: Eindhoven University so you must be an
: intelligent man ( I couldn't have done it:
: physics and me was never a happy combination
: ) and yet you seem to be unable to
: recognize the not-so-small nuances or
: differences between the position of the
: Prince of Oranje and a regular civil
: servant. Or you DO see the difference and
: are playing the devils advocate here or just
: play dum to annoy me.
:
: Anyway, the biggest difference between the
: many civil servants you mentioned (not
: 1.750.000 by the way, these numbers you
: mention are the amount of 'full time units'
: and about 20% of these units are filled by
: external personel from the many consultant
: and advisory firms) is that all these civil
: servants went to a whole selection procedure
: before they got their job.
: No matter if they are a secretary, a
: specialist on health insurance or the
: secretary-general, they all have
: job-interviews, they have physilogical tests
: to determine if they are the right person
: for the job. They have yearly evaluations,
: they need to make developmentplans for
: themselves to evolve as a person in their
: position and beyond. And, although this is
: more difficult than in the private sector,
: if they don't perform well, they can get
: fired.
:
: The Prince of Oranje did not have a
: job-interview with the employer (aka The
: people of the Netherlands), neither did
: Maxima. They can not get fired either, they
: don't have evaluation moments.
: The Prince of Oranje, Princess Maxima (or
: Queen Beatrix for this matter) are not
: subjected to the Dutch Civil Servant Law
: (Ambtenarenwet).This law dates from 1929
: (and was contra-signed by Minister Donner,
: the grandfather of the present Minister
: Donner) does not exclude them specifically
: by the way because back in 1929 it was
: thought too ridiculous to even think that
: anyone would consider the royals to be civil
: servants. The jurisprudence ever since has
: shown that neither the government nor the
: judicial branch considers the royals to be
: subjected. One very clear example was the
: decision of the government back in 1976 NOT
: to press charges against Prince Bernhard in
: the Lockheed-scandal. Had the government
: considered the prince to be a regular civil
: servant under the law they would have had to
: charge him with fraud and corruption as was
: clearly stated by the Ambtenarenwet (since
: 1994 removed with the new Algemene Wet
: Bestuursrecht).
:
: Fact is that the Prince of Oranje is no
: regular civil servant and therefor has
: different duties, different responsibilities
: and different benefits.
:
: You yourself recognize this everytime you
: start your rant against civilians in the
: Royal Family. Or do you rant against a
: regular civil servant Jonkheer Loudon
: marrying a Ms. Visser as well?
:
: Anyway, this will be my last post since I
: will be off on vacation to South-Africa,
: Namibia, Botswana and Zimbabwe. All paid for
: by myself and no security detail needed
:
: Be back on November 16, but perhaps the
: three weeks of total non-royal peace and
: quiet will grow on me
:
: --Previous Message--
: The fact that the Prince and Princess should
: not be free to purchase their own holiday
: estate with the argument that (part) of
: their capital is (indirectly) funded by the
: taxpayer is nonsenses.
:
: There are around 1.000.000 people directly
: and 750.000 indirectly paid by the taxpayer.
:
: Education and Sciences 422.000,
: Municipalities 178.000, The State 120.000,
: Armed Forces 86.000,
: Police 65.000, Academic hospitals 58.000,
: Sheltered Employment Act 25.000, Provinces
: 13.000, Water Unions 10.000, Judiciary
: 3.000, Research & Development 2.000
:
: Around 750.000 more people are indirectly
: paid by taxpayers like the UWV (social
: benefits, unemployment offices, etc.), the
: Netherlands Railways, housing companies, the
: 'sociale werkplaatsen', etc.
:
: None of these almosy 1.750.000 people would
: accept it when we would interfere in their
: right to buy a property or making an
: investment under the motto "it is
: taxpayer's money, you know".
:
: I sense from your post that you disagree
: with the Prince and Princess getting money
: for being the Prince and Princess indeed.
: But in the same time they are not allowed to
: find a normal job or start a business
: because the Government finds this
: "undesirable".
:
:
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