Posted by DragynWulf on July 9, 2006, 10:41:00, in reply to "Re: I am not the only one talking about it" It would seem so have you since this is all you can talk about. Lets face it, where are your posts that discuss what takes place in the issue other than Frenchie telling Marc he is now gay. I've yet to see one. Yet you want to cast stones my way for talking about it. :-/ : If Hudlin had wanted to drum up interest and Why would Huston (You've got him confused with the BLACK PANTHER writer Hudlin by the way) have to do anything when Marvel is hyping the entire thing for him. Joe Quesada told who was going to be in the issues, but if you ask Huston he will give you a line like "_______ is in it? That would be interesting to see happen. Guess we'll have to wait an see". Hudlin is trying to let the story sell itself instead of giving away part of it. He is a novel writer. Novel writers let the stories sell themselves. If you take away all the aspects of it being a comic with super-heroes, it comes down to a man in deep depression again and his friends are trying to help him again. Only this time it takes more than just his friends to do it, it takes his enemies trying to kill him for him to finally realize that he has something to fight for and that is his friends. : There is NOTHING to suggest that Frenchie's The simple fact that it was done to a major character in Moon Knight's life is what makes it done for shock value and hype. Notice in the very first thread where it is written "Frenchie gay??? Whod've thunk it?". This was a shock on the reader's part. It is like this all over the internet. It was done only to shock readers. : Oh, but you havent read it have you? Yet you I don't need to have the knowledge of the entire issue to understand that a character that has never shown any hint of being homosexual in his 25 years (Nov will be make it 26 years) of history is done for shock value to hype the title. It is a plot device that has been going on in comics lately used only to hype the title and give that "shock" value, which in itself will hype the book due tothe discussion it will (and has) generated. : Hudlin wants us to talk about how cool and And yet here you are contributing to the discussion on Frenchie becoming gay out of the blue, which causes the thread to increase even more and causes the "hype" to build even more. Which is the entire point I have made all along, but yet constantly get told that it doesn't work like that. So this entire thread of 43 messages (over the 4 messages that talk about other things that take place in the issue). Even you yourself have not discussed anything about the issue itself other than this subject. : A writers motivations are ALWAYS to tell a But it sure generates a lot of talk around the internet and on message boards like this. And that alone is what interests others into buying an issue they would normally have not picked up. : No, whats happened here is that DOUGIE STYLE Because I really couldn't comment on the entire issue since I have not read it yet. However I could talk about one thing I have seen happen too much lately in comics. And lets be honest here. The initial post by DOUGIE STYLE really only talks about Frenchie being gay as far as the issue itself goes. Sure he also said "Spector and Bushman fellow merc buddies", but to long time MOON KNIGHT readers, that is old news. The rest is just fan based hype of how he didn't like it prior to this issue and how he is now hooked and can't wait for #4. And yet you want to jump on my case for discussing what took place in the issue based on that, while praising DOUGIE STYLE for "talking about the comic". So lets recap here. The point about Frenchie being gay is the ONLY comment made about the entire issue on this entire message board. Other than the 4 thread message here: So tell me. What generates the most discussion about the comic itself? What takes place in the comic or the fact that Frenchie was turned into a gay character? : Hudlin didnt start this current branch of If you actually read what Dougie Style wrote, you will notice that he started it. : The answer is you - a person without the On the contrary, I didn't start it. I only discussed it further because that was the only thing Dougie Style wrote about the entire issue itself that I already didn't know. The only other thing is Bushman and Moon Knight being friends. : How much respect do you think you will get And all these people that have read the issue can't seem to talk about anything else other than Frenchie being gay, including yourself. Yet you want to jump on me for talking about it just because I have not read it and can talk about something happening far too often these days in comics. : No - youve accused Hudlin of jumping on a YOUNG AVENGERS writer never said a word about his characters being gay and it generated interest in the title also. Which is my entire point that it is a tool. : Well I'm finished here, and I'll say no more Where, because you sure have not discussed the comic itself here because no one is disussiing anything else other than Frenchie being gay and Taskmaster appearing (only 4 threads). All you've done is jump on me for discussing what someone else initially brought up.
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: The writer wants to tell a good story one
: would hope, and if Frenchies homosexuality
: is the most important issue of that comic to
: you, then the writer has failed or you have
: completely missed the point.
: controversy about Frenchie then he could
: have done so all over the internet months
: prior to the release of the issue and in the
: weeks after -but hes been silent about it
: and has preferred to talk about other, more
: important things.
: revelation was inserted in order to simply
: gain attention and start sensationalist
: conversations. Meanwhile its clear from the
: events on the page that Frenchies revelation
: IS intergrel to advancing the plot.
: still want to have your opinions taken
: seriousely and speculate what the events of
: that issue mean like some kind of expert
: when you dont actually have any knowledge or
: experience of the issue itself.
: excellent his comic is - as would any
: writer. Giggling like schoolboys or arguing
: about whether there are too many homosexuals
: in comics does nothing for the writers
: reputation and is unlikely to sell comics.
: good tale and/or sell comics, and there is
: nothing to suggest that sticking a gay
: character in guarentees to increase the
: chance of doing either.
: started a thread in which he mentioned just
: how cool this issue was and also happened to
: throw in the fact that Frenchie was gay.
:
: Dougie Style DIDNT make any actual comment
: about Frenchie other than that he was gay,
: and he seemed to prefer to talk about how
: much he enjoyed the issue.
:
: Then all of a sudden you came tromping and
: stomping along without having read the issue
: and immediately jumped on the 'too many
: homosexuals in comics' argument.
http://members3.boardhost.com/ArchieComics/msg/1151567475.html
A thread in which I participated in and yet you only talk about the Frenchie being gay plot.
: conversation, neither did Dougie Style or
: myself. So who did?
: slightest inkling of the actual content of
: the issue - who jumped all over the mere
: mention of the inclusion of a gay character
: and instantly assumed that such inclusion
: was a BAD thing.
: when you saunter over to a bunch of people
: who have actually read the issue and then
: start making wild, baseless assumptions
: about it despite having never read it
: yourself?
: bandwaggon by including a gay character in
: his story, despite the fact that he hasnt
: said a word about it.
: on the matter.
:
: I'm off to go talk to someone who actually
: READS this comic.
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