Posted by Dermie on July 3, 2006, 18:02:50, in reply to "Re: MOON KNIGHT #3: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (SPOILERS)" : I also think you are making a very big (and Sure there is. It is offensive for you to voice your assumptions on the creators' motives as if they are fact. It is offensive for you to say that they are *only* motivated by shock value and attention grabbing. And it is offensive for you to suggest that is the only possible use a gay character can serve. : - Hulkling Then why didn't they hype the gay characters, if 'attention grabbing' was the only reason they were there? The writer of the book is gay--I'd say that the inclusion of gay characters here has more to do with a) writing what you know, and b) the writer's own interests and/or biases. If the storyline were about shock value and grabbing attention they wouldn't have made it so subtle. : - Electro I didn't say otherwise. I'm just pointing out that you are exagerrating the signficance of that 'outing'. : Skein? Joystick? Swordsman? The writer has said online that this is not the first time Swordsman has engaged in same-sex activity. It is true that the Purple Man incident is a rape situation, but Fabian has still indicated that he considers Swordsman to be a bisexual character. : Joystick It *could* be--but there is still on-panel hints suggesting she is bi, as well as the online comments by the writer.
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: A tool to get attention? You point is valid
: enough when it comes to high-profile
: 'outings', like Batwoman, Rawhide Kid or
: Northstar. But you can't honestly expect me
: to believe that making Frenchie gay is a
: sales stunt, considering that it was not
: hyped in any way. How is it a tool to grab
: attention if no one knows about it without
: reading the book first?
:
: A character that has previously shown no
: signs of being gay suddenly outs himself.
: That is a tool.
So you keep saying--but you have yet to explain how it is an 'attention getting tool' when it is not hyped in any way.
: somewhat offensive) assumption to claim that
: attention grabbing is the motive for all of
: these gay characters.
:
: There is nothing offensive about it.
So, yes, your statement IS offensive, on more than one level.
: - Wiccan
:
: I don't think 'attention grabbing' had
: anything to do with this relationship,
: considering that the writer was trying to be
: subtle about the relationship, and didn't
: intend to reveal it until later in the first
: year, but ended up dealing with it sooner
: when readers picked up on it and wrote in.
:
: The first two gay teenage characters in a
: largely hyped title. Of course it had
: something to do with it.
:
: It was a one-page reference to him exploring
: bisexuality, which has never been brought up
: again. Again, I think you're stretching.
:
: It doesn't matter if it was brought up
: again or not. That alone changes the
: character's sexuallity.
:
: Swordsman was forced into it by someone
: else and could count more as rape than a
: sudden sexual preferance change.
: has only given hints and nothing has been
: shown or really proven and it could all just
: be an act.
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